Excerpts of a radio interview with Shri Mataji – Hong Kong, 1992
Interviewer: Is this then what Self Realization means; what you mean as a Realized Soul?
Shri Mataji: Yes, Self Realization means when the self, which is talked about in all the scriptures, starts emitting its manifestation in our conscious mind; means that time when we become aware of it. To this extent our central nervous system starts recording the power of our spirit, of oneself and we start feeling the breeze-like vibrations of the spirit which is called in the bible as the “cool breeze of the Holy Spirit”.
Interviewer: You’re saying then that when a person is realized he feels some actual physical things?
Shri Mataji: Yes, the energy that’s flowing through him he can feel it. It’s flowing through his body. Not only that but he becomes. It’s not lecturing or any brain-washing. He actually becomes collectively conscious, means in his awareness he can start feeling another person’s centres and also his own centres and he can start correcting it.
Interviewer: Is it like finding what one can, or what people have loosely described as the soul inside one?
Shri Mataji: Yes, but they are quite confused people. They don’t know what is soul, what is spirit. But these are all precise things. Soul is the thing which is not only spirit but is the body, the personality, except for the element of earth in it. We are made of five elements out of which the element of earth drops out; then you become the soul, because you cannot be seen but you exist in another plane.
Interviewer: How can one be a realized soul when you’re here now?
Shri Mataji (laughing): You see, there were many realized soul before also, and it’s the power (which) is all-pervading; is eternal, is all-existing. All of these great saints like we can say John the Baptist was a realized soul, Shakespeare was a great realized soul. He was tremendous, the way he tried to show the futility of life. He definitely was a realized soul. And this you will know by feeling the vibrations of these people, whether they were realized or not. You can feel the vibrations that they were realized soul. And these realized souls (existed) thousands of years back. Like on a tree, there are only one or two flowers to begin with, then gradually the blossom times come and there are many flowers and there are many fruits for growth.
Interviewer: What does it take to be a realized soul? Is it a mature person, or is it somebody who appreciates mankind for what it is?
Shri Mataji: No it’s not a mental status that’s important. It is the desire within you, the pure desire to be one with God, to be one with beyond. This pure desire; it may exist also the desire, that you see it’s not everything. You get fed up. It’s a drama and you get bored. You try everything, but you are not happy about it. You see, it’s the pure desire, be one with your spirit. You may not be educated. You may be a street urchin. You could be living in a remote place but still the pure desire may be in you completely existing, and that works it out. But you are not aware of the pure desire, but that works it out because you do not feel happy with other things, you feel frustrated and what ever you try, so what! It’s an economic science. You see, in particular, you may satisfy a want but in general they are not satiable. So, even the matter teaches you.